Online Dating, A Short Primer
It’s all about having a consistent system.
I will assume that you already have a profile and photos with one of the major online dating websites. I use Plenty of Fish and Match. Your local area might be more into OKCupid or even Craigslist. Ask around. I will cover more about profiles in a subsequent post.
So you review the profiles of the single women and you begin the hunt. If you’re sending out lots of messages, keep track. Use a spreadsheet if you must. Once you start working a consistent system, you might find yourself corresponding and going out on dates with quite a variety of women. This requires organization.
You send a message. You must read every word in her profile, even if it’s just a few brief words. Don’t compliment her on her looks. Seriously. Find something, anything, unique in her profile and comment on that. Your spelling and grammar must be flawless. Women conflate good communication skills with intelligence. Ironically, if you communicate too much with a woman, it’s a turn off.
If you’ve got honest wit and are good with words, you’ll be in a better position. Do bear in mind that humor is very subjective. One woman’s perception of witty and clever and is another woman’s perception of offensiveness and hostility.
If the woman has a long list of requirements that no man can realistically meet, don’t bring up it in any of your messages. In fact, don’t bother sending her a message. You’ve just run across an entitlement princess. I will have a more detailed post about how to translate womanese to manspeak regarding profiles.
The other part of the message can be a simple copy and paste and needs to have the “call to action” in the marketing lingo.
In this example, I am sending a message to a woman who has put “majorette” as her occupation and stated that she is learning to snorkel and has big dogs as pets:
OK, being a majorette could be considered a job. Do you get benefits in the off chance you suffer a majorette related injury? Hey, gotta ask!
And yes, I read profiles.
I do like dogs, especially big, slobbery dogs that jump into laps at the worst possible moment.
As for the snorkeling bit, just keep your breathing tube clear! lol.
I’d like to start a bit of a correspondence with the intent of actually meeting at some point soon. After all, the purpose of online dating is to go out on actual dates!
The Private Man
[Follow up – This women did indeed return my message and seemed enthusiastic about corresponding. But like so many before, she went “poof” and I never heard back from her.]
I use the boldface part of the message on every message.
Don’t make any overt sexual references. That’s a big a no no. From what I am told, there is a subset of guys on Plenty of Fish who are looking for sexual hookups. If that is your goal, get yourself over to Ashley Madison or Adult Friend Finder and stop polluting the waters at Plenty of Fish.
Again, it is extremely important that you find something unique in her profile and mention it in some way. The biggest complaint from women is that men don’t read profiles. Read her damned profile!
Once she receives your message, she’ll look at your profile. Yes, women look at photos and if you’re not her physical type, then it is highly unlikely that your message will even be read. This is the frustrating part. Try not to let it bother you. In fact, this part of the process is enormously frustrating because of the constant and never ending rejection. If there enough women in your area, you should be sending out at least five new messages every day. Yup, that’s almost 50 each week. Expect constant and never ending rejection.
Naturally, you will seek out the most physically attractive women first. These are the women who gets dozens of messages daily from fawning guys. These are the women who will also reject you unless you are devastatingly good looking (male model material), in ferociously good shape, over 6 feet tall, and wealthy. Your incredibly good photos and stunning words will reveal all this. There are just a few guys like this. They’re the ones dating all the attractive women you see in the profiles.
Why do you think so many attractive women write “no players” in their profiles? It’s because they got pumped and dumped by those very, very few guys who meet these women’s insanely high standards. Those guys, those really alpha guys, have no reason to commit and so they play the field because they can.
So, you will get realistic about whom you might attract once it’s clear that the online hotties aren’t responding to your messages. No one ever said that this part of online dating is supposed to be an emotionally rewarding experience. And seriously, going after 20-somethings? Save that for real life and not online.
Oh, don’t wink on Match.com. Just don’t. Send a real message. As for Plenty of Fish, if you make a woman a “favorite”, follow up with a message within a couple of days. The “Meet” feature is new to PoF and I’m still trying to figure out if it’s worth it.
If a woman winks at you on Match and you’re actually attracted to her, send a message. The same goes for when a woman makes you a favorite on PoF. If you’re not attracted to them, you can be polite and send a rejection message. Or, just ignore them. After all, that’s what the vast majority of women do.
If fate and fortune smile upon you, she returns with a positive message. Don’t expect an immediate return message, even if she is online. Shit, don’t expect any return message. If you’re the average guy, you might get a message or two for every dozen or so you send out.
Sidebar – Instant Messages:
They can work but be sparing about them. The best time for instant messages is right after dinner. But unless you can do really, really well with words, don’t expect much. Lead with “hello”, it’s the safest way to go. This will get her to read your profile. If she responds, she’s curious but not necessarily interested. Yet. Your job is to get her interested. This is tricky. Ask questions about herself. This is key. Reveal little about yourself. Don’t spend more than about 10 minutes going back and forth. And you must end the chat. If there are long delays between her instant messages, she’s chatting with other men or is busy. Take that as a sign to stop chatting. Send a thank you message. This will hopefully result in the message/email correspondence.
The problem with chatting is that you could reveal that your written communication skills aren’t up to snuff. That’s why messaging is good. You get the time to craft your message and clean up the grammar and spelling. Women think that good communication skills are a sign of intelligence.
You exchange approximately three back and fourths and then either you or she recommends a phone call. Don’t ask her to call you in the first message. Sometimes, the correspondence occurs over weeks. If there are long delays between messages, you reply in kind with the same delays. If she responds quickly, you do the same. Your online correspondence must be light and breezy without anything negative.
If after a few messages back and forth that seem to go well. Give her your number and hopefully she will give you hers. If she does, ask her when is a good time to call. If she doesn’t give you her number, don’t hold your breath for a phone call from her. Likely, you will call her. Do so within 48 hours.
If she answers your call, have a nice phone conversation, don’t flatter her. Instead, ask questions about her and listen very carefully. Volunteer only limited information about yourself. Maintain the mystery. If she talks mostly about herself, she will think you’re an interesting and accessible guy.
If she doesn’t answer the phone, leave a nice, brief message and ask that she returns your call at a convenient time for you. If after a three or four days there is no call, text, or online message, she’s done. End communications and move on. You can consider this a flake maneuver and it’s worthy of blocking her profile and ignoring any further communication from her.
When you do speak with her and you feel that the conversation is going well, it’s time to move forward to a real date. How do you know if it’s going well? She’s revealing more personal information about herself and in particular, her emotional state. “Well, I am feeling frustrated at work.” If she feels comfortable enough to reveal that without prompting, she’s comfortable enough for meeting in person.
But if she’s being very guarded and reveals little about herself, you may need another phone call. Phone calls should be stress free and no more than 15 minutes or so. For some guys, it’s difficult not to get nervous. Unfortunately, nervousness does not come across as confident. But if you’re keeping your online dating pipeline full, you will be having lots of these conversations and any nervousness and stress should ease over time. If you’re a really shy guy or lack social skills, I strongly recommend this website: http://www.succeedsocially.com/
Don’t ask if she wants to meet. Tell her. “I’m really enjoying this conversation with you, we need to meet.” The vast majority of women will agree. Have several options available. You are the man, don’t ask her where she might want to go unless she volunteers it. As for the timing, this gets tricky. Going for a Saturday date is problematic because Saturday nights make it sound like a big deal when you just really want to determine the chemistry factor.
After work on a weekday is best. Know where she works and pick a place halfway between her place of work and yours. A weekend afternoon for ice cream is also a good idea. In both these scenarios, you might even continue the date to a rather intimate conclusion. Don’t assume that. For the vast majority of guys, the first date is about determining chemistry and not making an attempt at seduction.
A dinner date is not recommended for a first date, especially somewhere fancy and expensive. This puts too much pressure on her and even more pressure on your wallet.
At this point, you should have a solid knowledge of Game to help you determine if your date is attracted to you. Game can also help escalate the date into something more. Don’t bring flowers to your first date.
Once the arrangements have been made, you are the one who ends the phone conversation. “I look forward to meeting you… and now I have to run…”
Real Life Flaking
Whether it’s getting stood up on a date or not following up to confirm a date, real life flaking is far more frustrating than online flaking.
If she calls you to cancel the date without offering a solid counter offer of another time or venue, it’s still a flake. She’s either not that into you or is working a bigger, better deal. Regardless, any real life flaking must result in instant dismissal. Make no further contact, block her profile, no exceptions. One chance, one chance only. Getting stood up with no notice – not even a simple text message – is the ultimate in flaking. It will happen. Be warned.
Here is a great tip for weeding out the flakes: Call them the morning of the day you have your date planned and tell them you’ve got an errand to run and will be 10 or 15 minutes late and ask if that’s ok. If they’re going to flake, they’ll jump on this opportunity to bail thus saving you from wasting your time later on.
Thankfully, real life flaking decreases as women get older. If she flakes in real life after 40, you’ve dodged a huge, life-sucking bullet and you should count your blessings.
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