Faith, Gender Roles, Masculine Charisma

A massive comment outbreak is occurring over at Dalrock’s blog (link below). Given the intelligence and general wisdom of Manosphere commenters, it’s taken me awhile to read through the often genius observations about Christianity and Game. Of course, I added my two cents regarding the nomenclature. I don’t like the word Game in this context, I prefer Charisma with the added descriptor of masculine.

For the record, I have faith and I am a Christian of the Protestant, evangelical flavor. While I don’t attend church, I do try to follow the teachings of Jesus. However, this post is not about my personal faith, it’s about the wisdom I find through comments in the Manosphere. To wit, this is from MackPUA:

More proof how much Christianity is REALLY out of step with reality & has ALWAYS been out of step with reality

Women are LEVERAGING GIRL GAME & devastating the church as a result

What do christian men do as a result? They attack game, PUA, men asserting their masculinity & dominance

In short christian men attack one of the main defenses men have, ie knowledge of how women use & manipulate men

Christianity has always sold out men, at every opportunity it gets

All with the flimsy premise of evil gamers & puas seducing their weak willed christian wives …

A few facts …

You cannot separate game from PUA, as PUAs came up with most of the theories & ideologies gamers use today

You cannot learn game, unless you pickup chicks & learn how to rotate multiple women in a relationship

Reading about women is NOT game

Game HAS to be practiced, which is WHY alot of guys in the manosphere have such warped ideas about game & PUA

What these so-called Christians don’t realize society HAS CHANGED

Men HAVE to learn how to manage a soft harem, precisely because ALL women juggle multiple men & multiple relationships

Our society is no longer a male driven, male dominated culture

Its WOMEN who now juggle multiple men & multiple relationships

Women ARE NOW THE SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS CADS

Beta men ARE NOW THE INNOCENT VIRGINAL BRIDES, women take advantage of, after whoring their lives on the carousel

The ROLES HAVE CHANGED

Why don’t these idiotic christians & manginas & anti-gamers get it?

The roles have changed

Thanks to the pill, & birth control in today’s society, its women who are now the cads

He has some very valid points that must be understood by those within the Christian faith and those outside it. The gender roles have indeed changed and our society is going to get even more confused, complicated, and frustrating, especially for guys without masculine Charisma.

Consider the percentage of female college graduates and the biologically-based motivation that is hypergamy. How will they find husbands? (link below). They won’t. They will find a series of short-term “relationships” with charismatic guys who are simply managing soft harems and have no reason to commit unless they truly want to become fathers.

Voluntary single motherhood will become an even greater social pathology as sperm is plentiful. An “oops” pregnancy is easily done because short of a vasectomy, private male birth control won’t yet be a reality. Of course, a trip to the sperm bank is always an option.

Some day, a pastor will mount his pulpit and preach to the women with honesty and candor about hypergamy. He will then preach to the men about masculine Charisma. And then the church will organize singles events after revealing such Red Pill wisdom. It could be interesting if it were to ever happen.

I’ll be poolside.

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  1. #1 by deti on August 17, 2012 - 12:07 PM

    How else will society change?

    — many college educated women won’t marry at all. from my experience this is already happening. I’m in my mid 40s and I know several women who would have married within their SMVs had they been born even 20 years before they were. But they remain unmarried, and at this point probably never will marry.

    — many college educated women who do marry will “marry down” to men who earn less or appear of lesser status. Many of those marriages will break down as well because the men will be perceived as househusbands, kitchen bitches or kept men. When the inevitable divorce happens, look for these men to sue for, and get, alimony.

    — some college educated women will simply enter a string of relationships.

    — more and more men will refuse marriage altogether. I say this as a married man — I actively dissuade single men from marrying. I can’t recommend marriage in the US. (If I ever find myself single again through divorce or widowhood, I’ll never, ever marry again. I know too much now.)

    — there will be advancing political, social, economic and medical breakdown as the society at large becomes more fragmented, male unemployment and underemployment increases, basic services and work is not done (men do the vast majority of basic public works services such as street and bridge repair, sanitation, electricity, water, transportation, and moving people and goods from one place to another).

    — there will be increasing civil and political unrest. Do we really want to live in a nation in which upwards of 5 million to 10 million men have no jobs, no money, no women, no sex, and absolutely no (legal or societally sanctioned) way to get any of them? Do we really want to live in a nation in which millions of men have literally nothing to lose?

    • #2 by just visiting on August 17, 2012 - 1:58 PM

      I’m not sure if masculine frame is enough to save a civilization. If men aren’t feeling invested, they’ll just be pool side. Christian or otherwise. The feminine is too scarce to inspire.

      • #3 by theprivateman on August 18, 2012 - 6:35 AM

        I just stole some of that comment for an epic tweet. Thanks!

      • #4 by just visiting on August 18, 2012 - 2:00 PM

        Glad I could help.

    • #5 by NMH on August 21, 2012 - 8:04 AM

      Even worse…the unsatisfied hypergamous women who will be sequestered from the dating market will be theprofessional, interesting, thin attractive ones. Hence, the only women that men will have a shot at for a good LTR are the boring obese secretaries.

      We are fucked.

  2. #6 by deti on August 17, 2012 - 2:12 PM

    the nature of game/charisma will change. You think we’re awash in thugs and bad boys now? Just wait until women start looking for status markers other than income, education and SES. For example, women looking to “hook up down” or “Marry down” will look much less to income and much more to other markers in a much more frequent fashion than they do now. And those markers will be garishly exaggerated.

    1. Extremely good looking/physically attractive men
    2. Muscular or large-framed (not fat) men
    3. Men with natural talents such as art, music, acting, dance, public speaking, politics, leadership
    4. Sociopaths, psychopaths, thugs and criminals (Attractive because they don’t care who they have to hurt or even kill to get what they want/need. Women will attach themselves to these men because they can provide safety and resources.)
    5. Men involved in organized crime (same reason as 4.)
    6. Extremely wealthy men (unencumbered assets in seven figures or more. Millionaires and up.)

    • #7 by deti on August 17, 2012 - 2:15 PM

      7. Men with scarce but necessary skills (medicine, heavy equipment operation, plumbing, electrical, agriculture, carpentry, engineering, mechanics, fuel extraction, etc.)

    • #8 by deti on August 17, 2012 - 3:56 PM

      8. Men who have firearms and who know how to use them.
      9. Men who have had training and/or knowledge in any kind of combat or martial arts.

  3. #9 by Ironsun on August 17, 2012 - 5:17 PM

    Private Man,
    I am curious, how do you reconcile your faith and desire to follow the teachings of Christ with fornication?

    • #10 by theprivateman on August 17, 2012 - 6:39 PM

      And this question was expected.

      You’ll notice that most of my posts are not about the PUA “same night lay” infamy. My guidance to men is about attraction, not sexuality. I want men to be more attractive to women so that the men have more options. Yet there is a huge religious and philosophical dilemma that I face. When a man learns the skills of masculine Charisma so that he understands how to be more attractive to women, he has fewer incentives to restrain his desires for fornication and commitment to any one woman.

      But the dilemma is seriously reduced if women understood their hypergamous natures and had the ability to control them. That’s the balance with masculine Charisma. That’s what a pastor needs to be talking about with honesty and candor to his congregation and using scripture to back it up.

      Hypergamy is unrestrained. Masculine Charisma is not. That’s the imbalance ‘twixt the genders.

      • #11 by NMH on August 18, 2012 - 11:02 AM

        J/C ethics suggest that you “do unto others as they will do to you”, not “do unto others as they do you.” If you justify fornication and harem forming with the later (as you appear to be doing) then you are most certainly not a New Testament driven-Christian (I am agnostic BTW).

        As long as you are justifying fornication with parity to female hypergamy, you need to drop all reference to “being a christian”. I you do not, then your hamster has overtaken your sense of logic. Just saying, my friend.

      • #12 by theprivateman on August 18, 2012 - 4:23 PM

        My hamster got religion?

        Pardon my glibness but I actually agree with you that my hypocrisy on this issue is vast. I’m doing research into this through some good reading and that does include the New and Old Testaments… also, “Walking the Bible”, a great read so far.

  4. #13 by Anaïs on August 17, 2012 - 8:13 PM

  5. #14 by Johnny Caustic on August 17, 2012 - 8:43 PM

    My favorite part:

    Men HAVE to learn how to manage a soft harem, precisely because ALL women juggle multiple men & multiple relationships

    Women ARE NOW THE SEXUALLY PROMISCUOUS CADS

    Beta men ARE NOW THE INNOCENT VIRGINAL BRIDES, women take advantage of, after whoring their lives on the carousel

    Great quotes.

    However, he’s just anti-historical to claim that “Christianity has ALWAYS been out of step with reality” and “Christianity has always sold out men”. Jesus came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword. Please recognize that what’s taught in nearly all the churches today is anti-Christian. If the man isn’t leading his woman or the woman isn’t obeying her man, it’s not Christianity.

  6. #15 by Joe on August 17, 2012 - 11:14 PM

    Private Man,

    Great blog. You also have profound tweets, my friend. The other day you said “The hardest thing for a man is to be dominant….hence the popularity of 50 Shades”

    Why do you think the hardest thing for men is to be dominant? Lack of game, or is it more genetic (“high rank” is genetically based) This would probably make a good post for you

    • #16 by theprivateman on August 18, 2012 - 6:34 AM

      Masculine dominance is viewed by a feminized society as dangerous. So, little boys are taught at a very young age to be quiet and meek if they are to by accepted by female authority figures, particularly mom and teacher.

  7. #17 by Solo on August 18, 2012 - 10:38 AM

    interesting post

    Just one thing I like to say, if you are truly dealing with a woman of God. These women wanna be married and please God. I’m not talking about women that go to church to put on a good front then live a secular life but women who revere God and try to please Him with their every being. They wanna honor Him and be married.

    • #18 by fi on August 21, 2012 - 8:36 AM

      I don’t know anybody in the UK who still believes in God. There must be some though although people don’t talk about it. Tony Blair became a catholic after he left office so as not to lose support as a belief in God is seen as slightly suspect, particularly in politicians, and something that if you must do, you should keep to yourself.

      • #19 by NMH on August 21, 2012 - 8:59 AM

        LMAO! 4% of the population in the UK believes in Allah. And they are growing by the day. It won’t be long before you are forced to wear a burkha. It will be good for you. Might settle you down and make you more docile.

      • #20 by Solo on August 21, 2012 - 9:23 AM

        fi your right most people don’t belive in God now a days. This is why women are so slorish (slutty). There was a time when women wanted to be married and have a family. Now women wanna be party girls and then get married when their way past their prime. It really is getting worse with each generation, this is why guys are learning “Game” because women are wild, it goes back to the beginning of time when Eve got lured by the devil and ate the apple

      • #21 by fi on August 21, 2012 - 9:26 AM

        Gee – you two. :D

  8. #22 by Something Smells Fishy About This "Study" on August 28, 2012 - 6:20 PM

    “You cannot separate game from PUA, as PUAs came up with most of the theories & ideologies gamers use today

    You cannot learn game, unless you pickup chicks & learn how to rotate multiple women in a relationship

    Reading about women is NOT game

    Game HAS to be practiced, which is WHY alot of guys in the manosphere have such warped ideas about game & PUA”

    A man who is seriously and deeply practicing his religion, Christianity or otherwise, will not be interested in doing the above.

  9. #23 by collegegirl on September 5, 2012 - 6:03 AM

    The only part I don’t get is ‘ALL women juggle multiple men & multiple relationships,’ that can’t honestly be meant literally, is it getting at something else?

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